American-USAirways Merger Finalized

what does this mean for people who bought the us airways steal in the summer and are flying in January in regards to transfering the miles to united

Justice must be truly blind if DOJ can allow this merger. Frankly, this was true already when NWA disappeared.

Your last point is the only upside I see….

Hi dan thanks for the info . Are you sure that us airways miles will become american ?

@I LOVE DAN:
The exact date when they will be leaving the Star Alliance is unknown.

@wolfie:
They shouldn’t have let Delta and Northwest combine.
They shouldn’t have let Continental and United combine.
But now that they did they were under too much pressure to allow American and USAirways to combine.

Really stinks.

@JohnnieD:
Yup 🙁

@Hamburg:
If I wasn’t I wouldn’t have said that.

Should i sell my United, usairways or aa miles now to avoid losing money?

Dan, when do you think Barclay’s stop offering the US Airways CC?

@Rip:
Who knows. As airfares climb by default miles are worth more.
Then again as they print more miles they devalue their charts making them worth less.

@Yankees:
No idea.

This stinks. Star Alliance offered the most options to fly to Israel. Now I am stuck with all these USAirways miles with fewer and costlier options to Israel on points

Starting to feel like Israel with all these points becoming less valuable…..

Thanks for the exhaustive post.
Will the credit cards work the same way? Will the US airways card & it’s perks go away, leaving only the citi aadvantage cards?
Thanks.

A friend (who is a US Airways Chairman member) told me some info about US Air and TLV. She said that since Teva (the Israeli drug company) uses US Air exclusively, US Air makes money even if they fly a plane with no passengers on it to/from TLV. She flies PHL-TLV quite frequently (7+ times/year) and is confident based on the people at US Air she’s spoken to that the new American will continue to fly to TLV. As for keeping the flight from PHL she’s not to sure.

Hopefully she’s correct.

Do you need ANA miles in your account in order to check for partner flights?

Hey Dan, thanks for the post.
Do you think there is a possibility that ElAl now tries to join the star alliance?

Dan do you think its worth stocking up on (buying) Avios Points?

So this will in no way affect the BA avios – AA flight by distance option ?

@Pghtown:
Well you will have El Al.

@david:
Probably.

@Yehoshua:
Don’t buy it.
First of all even the greatest corp contract can’t make a longhaul like that profitable.
Second they have major issues to work out. I think they will work them out but if it were that simple then AA would have added JFK-TLV 12 years ago.

@Daniel:
There are workarounds, see DDF.
Or just search United or Aeroplan for Star Alliance awards.

@bubble347:
No, they’re far too incompetent.

@ben:
I’d imagine their value should go up now. Though they can always devalue so don’t buy for long-term needs.

@Yosef B Chicago:
No.

dan
will my life time platinum status on aa remain intact?

@dave:
Yes.

thanks Dan

Dan. what more can you report pls on the effect it will have on united miles programs. it will loose much capability to fly business direct to TLV, as united never has saver points to TLV. with the lost of PHL (had many seats open) it will only be redeemable through a stop in europe. BTW, economy class is also hard to find in united non stop with saver. tks

@get the point:
There’s still Air Canada via Toronto with lots of open seats.

And United opens tons of availability within 24 hours of their own flights.

Will ua definitely go down in value?

for AA people, what do we lose, in short?
long… post

Are there any CC deals to grab for either airline before they start disappearing?

for all of those who bought those mistaken fares ending in Toronto from to TLV–If the merger happens in December, are we still good to go?

I’m surprised how you set up bullet #10, by noting at the end that PHX “seems redundant.”

From my perspective, of all the hubs in the combined AA/US network, PHX absolutely has the most to lose. They instantly become non-strategic and redundant. DFW and LAX are both perfectly positioned for strategic reasons. PHX has worked well for US, but if they marry up with AA, you can count on PHX taking a massive hit. CLT will remain virtually unscathed.

@Robert:
It may but little to do because of this.

@Apple:
The award chart will be devalued when the mileage programs are combined.

@Avi:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/30687

@Philly-TLV:
Of course.

@scott:
I’m not convinced PHL and CLT will be left unscathed. That’s an awful lot of east coast hubs.

But yes, PHX will lose many flights.

US has been very successful having its shuttle in the Northeast – I can certainly see the new airline expanding that frequent-shuttle idea up and down the heavily populated east coast BOS-NYC-PHL-WAS-CLT-MIA

I think PHL will take a hit on its international service, but not so much domestic – PHL is just too large a market (6th largest in the US) and Charlotte too big a financial center (only NYC is larger in the US) to cut service back from there too much.

I think PHX is by far the most expendable

still time to do the aegean on usairways? we booked the $468 flights to israel for January. that should get me half way to gold?

I have miles with UNITED, AA, BA, DELTA and want to go mid december nyc-tlv-nyc

which one would have availability, and best to use now before things get worse?

We should be OK for the short term on the mistaken fares to Israel and the Aegean hack:

From USA Today:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/todayinthesky/2013/11/12/merger-whats-next-for-aa-us-airways-customers/3508817/

But customers of US Airways will soon see one significant change. US Airways has been a member of the Star Alliance frequent-flier program, but the “new” American will stay with the oneworld alliance that American is already part of.

RELATED: US Airways promises ‘quick’ exit from Star Alliance

For US Airways frequent-fliers, that means they’ll soon lose their ability to earn or redeem miles on Star Alliance partners like Lufthansa, All Nippon Airways, Air Canada and Thai Airways. But once US Airways shift to oneworld, its frequent-flier members will get access to new partners that include British Airways, Cathay Pacific, LAN, Qatar Airways and Qantas.

US Airways President Scott Kirby said on Tuesday that US Airways is aiming for a “quick” exit from Star, and that the transition to oneworld would begin during the first quarter of 2014.

air canada i can agree but United last minute options you need to pay $75 (for people that didnt attend the seminar) and they still dont open business class last minute. tks

How can one avoid the United $75 close in fee? I don’t live anywhere near any of the seminar locations so I can never go to find out

@Rob:
I think all of USAirways hubs see losses. DCA forced and the the other 3 will definitely shrink.

@dov:
I’d imagine that January is safe.

@bob:
There were at least 2 dozen people that came in from out of CLE for the past seminar.

You mean the “avoid-the-United-close-in-fee” trick was a DDS exclusive?

Ok, now it was worth the 20$ in tolls and the $40 in gas. Beautiful!

Lol.

Once US Airways is out of the star alliance is the only way to get Aegean gold status by flying Aegean since United Miles are often not recognized in certain classes & never get 1:1 value as do US airways miles?

Bob, you got to pay for such tips.

Adios service to TLV. AA is effectively banned from TLV due to outstanding non-payment issues from TW.

You can count on CLT remaining 95% intact. No other AA station offers this vital N-S connection point. And, CLT has been, by far, US’s lowest cost and most profitable hub by a significant margin. I predict PHL takes a 20% reduction in total activities. PHX -40% within 3 years.

Have you ever booked a North Asia business class for 90k via Israel? From the US, do you recommend booking the flight first to Israel or to North Asia first to get US Air to price at 90k? Thank you

@dan
i fly to hong kong via cathay with american miles now that there is a merger how will this affect me?
1. Booking future flights – Which program has the easiest miles to use for Cathay after american miles disappear?
2. If i book a few flights on american airlines now for cathay flights for the next year will i be able to change later on after they cut ties?

will my mileage plus miles lose value?
also if i flew a few times this year using star alliance, which mileage is the best to get me to gold fastest? 2 were tlv flights and the others were domestic.

@yehuda: i meant which mileage program should i sign up for?

Can I still get the us airline CC?

does this mean starwood becomes more valuable in the fact that in transfers to any us airways account which can used for american?

@Moshe:
I just did, although I assume it will be gone soon.

@Dan
What does it mean on the USairways website that you will still be able to earn miles on aegean?
”We plan to continue relationships with the following airlines, which means you’ll be able to earn miles on these select partners even after we’ve exited Star Alliance: Aegean, Air China, Air New Zealand, Avianca, Ethiopian Airlines, Eva, Shenzhen Airlines, Singapore Airlines, South African Airways, TAM, TAP and Turkish Airways.”

Thanks Dan! When can we check back for all the new short haul routes?

@MeirS:
Interesting.
Guess we’ll know in due time.
Not sure if they will earn elite miles, if that will only be in the USAir program and not the AA program, etc.

@Mendel:
Read the post update.

Hey, what about some FP exposure for my analysis of their photo?

Did anyone get a notice from American Express that due to the merger AA Admirals club will be removed from the platinum card lounges?

Thanks just did 2
both instantly approved (second barclays)

Any specific routes? Like you used to make a post “all routes ex-nyc” etc.

How much will the PHL-TLV flight be? Will they charge for fuel?

HI Dan.. not sure if you saw the news but access to AA and US Airways lounges for Platinum Cardmembers will cease as of 3/22/2014

DAN do you know if i can get a good price anywhere for a ticket to isreal this week for about a week ?

Apologies for wrong thread

so can we begin looking at US for flights with BA avios? is the BA site updated? its a terrible site as is

@bob @dan know if there are any star alliance partners without a close-in fee?

“USAirways allows you to fly pretty much anywhere via anywhere so that it’s possible to fly to Asia via Tel Aviv for just 60K in coach or 90K in business with no fuel surcharges”

Can someone explain how??
TY

Does anyone know when US miles will be transferable to AA?

אני חושב שכן יש צד טוב בזה למי שיש
לו הרבה מייל’ס של יו-אס אירויס שעד עכשיו ×”×™×” שוה רק .50 עכשיו ×™×”×™×” שוה הרבה יותר בערך 1.4

@Freddie:
Lol.
DDF exclusive.

@Mendel:
When the time comes I’ll update that post.

@Mark:
90K coach, 135K business.
No fuel surcharge.

@tom:
Most don’t.

@yitz:
Call to book partner awards.

@Big Boy:
If they are sometime next year.

@היברו:
USAir is worth wayyy more than .5 cpm and AA is worth more than 1.4 cpm.

@Dan:this is the price by AH Exchange

@היברו:
You can do better.
Heck you can do better using them in coach yourself.

Do you really think there is a chance that it won’t transfer?

He’s paying .5 and and people are taking it because no on else is buying. I know, because I made half a dozen calls. I did the bonus transfer and paid the fee and now I’m sitting on miles that aren’t even worth skypesos. Not planing on flying anytime soon so I’ll probably have to eat the loss. Anyone who wants to make a killing now is probably a great time to enter the market.

Has US Air said what will happen to their miles? Is it a total waste to open the US Air Barclays card now? or will those points eventually transfer into AA?

stop crying and buy the stocks making a killing aal